The NEW Proline+

[Ricky_Slade]

Well, Proline is officially dead. The new version is garbage. Terrible odds and they pull games right away. For example Curry and Wiggins was just announced out for GS tonight. I was on the proline site when i got the twitter notification and the line disappeared in seconds. So not only are they charging ridiculous juice. There will be no stale lines. Cant wait for April 4th!!!

[red_falcon]

this is the in-store printable list. It's pretty garbage though, and odds can move anytime...

https://proline.olg.ca/media/dcveetiz/r ... _en_ca.pdf

Perhaps try this? Since the odds are dynamic and change, so too does the list at times.

https://proline.olg.ca/en-ca/events-list/


Red.

[red_falcon]

I believe MattyKGB mentioned this before, but Betstamp will have comparisons between Proline+ and various other online places like Pinnacle.
Very useful!

Red. =)

I never heard about Betstamp & thanks for bringing it to my attention. Do you know if it's free to register? Or do you have to pay?

It's Free to register. I put it in as Pinnacle as a comparison to Proline+.
You can track your bets on it, and see if you have CLV or not.

Basically, I have Betstamp on one monitor, and Proline+ on another, so if there's a change, I can play right away.
Discrepancies are small though, as soon as line/pricing drops in pinnacle, proline+ will drop shortly after too.

Red. =)

[LordCC]

I believe MattyKGB mentioned this before, but Betstamp will have comparisons between Proline+ and various other online places like Pinnacle.
Very useful!

Red. =)

I never heard about Betstamp & thanks for bringing it to my attention. Do you know if it's free to register? Or do you have to pay?

It's Free to register. I put it in as Pinnacle as a comparison to Proline+.
You can track your bets on it, and see if you have CLV or not.

Basically, I have Betstamp on one monitor, and Proline+ on another, so if there's a change, I can play right away.
Discrepancies are small though, as soon as line/pricing drops in pinnacle, proline+ will drop shortly after too.

Red. =)

Thanks for the insight & information, I really appreciate it!

[Biffalo Buff]

I was just listening to a Be Better Bettors podcast with Johnny and Julian, the creators of BetStamp. According to LinkedIn, BetStamp is a Toronto company. I now wonder if they were referencing Proline during the podcast. They never mentioned Proline directly by name but did mention having to step out from work for time sensitive plays. Which could be a reference to running Proline tickets. And if they play Proline they probably visit this forum. And if they visit this forum they might read this post. And if they do I would like to say congratulations Johnny and Julian on an excellent podcast. You explained some neat ideas and were great to listen to. I wish you the best with Betstamp and your sportsbetting ventures.

Now about the new retail Proine, I am not too hopeful.

In general, tolerance to advantage play is proportional to a sportsbooks's profitabiliy. Before, regular bettors were parlaying at least 3 bets paying 1.7 on bets with a 50% chance of a winning outcome. This left OLG with a margin of almost 40%. They could pay retailers a 5% comission to sell tickets, a comission to cash tickets, and still have well over 30% to work with. Because of this they could tolerate a certain amount of advantage play and they had some disinsentive from pulling games because of a line movement.

Now with odds of 1.8 / 1.83 on even money bets this is a margin of 10%. With single bets now accepted many tickets will be sold with a gross margin of 10%. Take away a 5% comission on sales and 2% on redemption leaves not very much for them to work with. Granted, given that they are already running Proline+ maybe they don't have a lot of additional costs but I will be surprised if this new model turns out to be profitable.

I am surprised by the lack of Props. On other forums there was generally a concensus of which plays were best but almost always there were posters on each side of the bet. While most posters might be betting a certain way on a certain prop there were generally a few betting the other way. So even among posters who frequent sportsbetting handicappers forums, OLG had bettors playing against a large house advantage. It is really unfortunate that, so far, they seem to be giving up on this market. Granted, they offered some NFL props on the weekend and some props may be coming even though they aren't present today but I suspected that Props may have actually been profitable for OLG, even with APs doing their best.

Proline+ certainly had its advantages but it seems to be run by competent people as the advantages dry up and are corrected very quickly. My bets were limited within the first week of Proline+ coming online, back in August. I did take advantage of every opportunity I couldt though. Still, I didn't give up, and even with limited bet sizes I kept betting every advantage I found. I had my bet sizes limited a further 4-5 times. Often in the middle of a betting session where I was once limited to a certain (small) amount for a specific market, a few minutes later I found out I could only bet half of the small amount I could earlier. I find there is not much left as they seem to be quick to catch on to advantage play and correct things quickly.

I am glad that Ontario is opening up the market to other sportsbooks because right now OLG is the only legal / regulated player in town. And if I were to try to bet $100 on the Bengals to win the Superbowl, one hour before kickoff, I would get an error message telling me that my bet size is too high. And that is absolutely ridiculous.

[zoo99]

First impressions/ observations :
Odds are shit

Two stores I went to I was unable to get my ticket printed from QR code and because I had some half time wagers couldn’t do on a slip.

$500 limit on pools per person per day per store

Making a ticket on your phone it will let you build a $300 ticket on the multi parlay and generate a bar code for it but it won’t work when you try and print ticket.

When my ticket printed no where on it does it say my over under wager is for the 1st half.

When you make a ticket on your phone and save the barcode it also list the odds and payout. Even though my ticket said It paid out $487 my physical ticket printed pays out $444. There was no warning or anything, just printed ticket instantly.

I noticed that tomorrow Edmonton oilers pay 2.05 money line (match) and also pay 2.05 money line (regulation)

For a couple of the ncaa games they had point spread for individual teams and halves but no overall game pointspread which was weird

I can’t see their regulars who have played proline/pointspread/props playing this. It is so user unfriendly. Everything about it screams headache and that’s from a pretty tech savvy and betting savvy person. From the way the lists print out (ncaa basketball was two pages itself) to the slips everything is just too much work for the average person in my opinion. And I know it’s the first day and there’s a learning curve for sure but I really think instore sales will decline dramatically(quite possible that’s what they want) every single owner I went to today said same. It’s overload, I don’t think average joe wants this at retail. They want simple print me a list and let me pick a few games.

The website is shit, for the game list you have to click on individual sport and then it doesn’t even display basic money line or point spread beside the game, you have to click on again and then back on the browser to get to another game etc. Terrible user experience in my opinion. Of course you can call up the four page pdf if you want a chronological listing of events but there is no interface to make selections so you have to go back to the shitty interface to actually make your selections.

Oh well maybe I’m just salty from losing my part time job but I would say if it wasn’t broken (and they’ve been running it for 30+ years so you would assume it was profitable for them) why change it so dramatically? I get the online proline + and single game wagering but they could of done that in conjunction with traditional proline in my opinion.

[tshi2015]

In their promo material for stores they were touting increased sales and foot traffic. what a pile of cow dung.
The stores are already suffering due to pandemic, more taxes on tobacco, restrictions on vape product, inflation etc.
This will be final nail on the coffin for a large swath of stores I can guarantee you that.

In case you guys wonder how much on-line play impacts in-store play. ALC launched on-line proline quite a few years back. Last 2021 financial statement they say >60% of wagers were done online. You can imagine that's a lot of lost commissions for stores.

[richhhh]

Interesting point Tshi one could argue that its more of a convenience to play online where you are then say Ontario and maybe the 60% will not be replicated. With that said OLG is almost forcing the use of the app to make selection in store and while doing so people will realize better odds are online for same bets at proline+ driving online sales. But then once your comfortable online you might leave Proline+ as you can find better odds elsewhere. This of coarse is only referencing the dead money action they are looking for as only losing accounts can wager. I imagine alot of people about to get a taste of that dirty trick and hopefully they give OLG some bad press.




So does that pdf list refresh every 30 mins with the odds?

[tshi2015]

I think it is updated, but I doubt it matters much since they can change the odds anytime at the terminal, so the numbers listed in there is pretty meaningless.

[ProlinePlayer]

Interesting point Tshi one could argue that its more of a convenience to play online where you are then say Ontario and maybe the 60% will not be replicated. With that said OLG is almost forcing the use of the app to make selection in store and while doing so people will realize better odds are online for same bets at proline+ driving online sales. But then once your comfortable online you might leave Proline+ as you can find better odds elsewhere. This of coarse is only referencing the dead money action they are looking for as only losing accounts can wager. I imagine alot of people about to get a taste of that dirty trick and hopefully they give OLG some bad press.




So does that pdf list refresh every 30 mins with the odds?

I did a comparison of the pdf and the online odds and they were quite different. So I'm not sure if it is updated at all.

PLP