Dice control - believe?

[ProlinePlayer]

There are a lot of other games out there in the world where it is possible to win, attaining an edge over the casino or other players through skill.

And then there are things like this.
Dice control
This theory has been around for a long time and a web search will show a lot of sites including videos showing how.

So what's your opinion? Can it be done or is just wishful thinking? Personally I'm skeptical but will go as far as maybe.

PLP

[ProlinePlayer]

Now as a followup here's one that really caught my attention

dice sliding http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/leo-ferna ... aps-20300/

I was intrigued by this for several reasons. First is that I know Leo + Veronica fairly well. First met them in Vegas through mutual friends almost 20 years back. Haven't seen them in a long time but they've obviously been very busy

The other thing is that the story smells fishy - there is a lot here that does not make sense.

First question - is this even breaking the law? After all everyone is trying to throw a 7 on the comeout roll. I'm not sure that you can therefore call some kind of ability to actually do so illegal. It's true that the dice were thrown in a manner which would be considered unacceptable, but it is the job of the pit to then call a 'no roll'.

But the whole thing is weird. They did this for a month winning $700,000? It took them a month of play for the Wynn to realise that they were throwing the dice in a manner where one did not roll? Nonsense. And they did this by distracting the pit? Again, for a month? How the hell is that even remotely possible?

a quote from another article re this

Alan Mendelson, who has covered gaming issues and now runs a consumer finance website, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that "dice sliding is so obvious that it is easy to stop. It makes no sense they could get away with that much money unless they had inside help."

the Wynn by the way say that no, there was no inside help involved.

What do you guys make of this story?

PLP

[McGuire72]

Seems like a good way to get kicked out of the chino to me. They bust people for this shit in Brantford... I imagine they'd break your legs down in Vegas. Anybody who wins on this would have to be doing so via an inside job... Even then I would think every other gambler at the table would make a stink if they saw someone doing this.

[MattyKGB]

Even then I would think every other gambler at the table would make a stink if they saw someone doing this.

Nah...if I was at the table and saw this happening I'd just start betting the same bets as the guy doing it

I agree with PLP though, story seems fishy - they might be able to get away with it for one or two rolls but not for a whole month. When I've played craps I've always seen the shooter get a stern warning even the first time he/she doesn't hit the far wall.

It's been my experience that whenever I've seen an article about something on which I have a high level of knowledge (such as the insurance industry or gambling math) I notice that they inevitably get some of the key facts wrong...so I'd assume that this happens on the majority of articles without most people noticing the error.

[BTS]

They bust people for this shit in Brantford... I imagine they'd break your legs down in Vegas.

Someone has been watching too many movies.

Since the 80s most casinos have been run by corporations. Not that I'm saying some illegal activities don't still occur to this day(illegal detention, filing false police reports, etc) but in this day and age a casino literally breaking a patron's bones would get hit with a massive lawsuit and likely pay severe damages. Even in Nevada's f'ed up legal system where casinos can almost do no wrong.

Now on an Indian reservation...